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Added: 2018-09-12 17:33:26
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An update about my leaving Whentai and apology to those who commissioned me as I won't be finishing those commissions now.

So, short story is I'm leaving Whentai because I've been told I won't be paid for the commissions I've completed. Rea*** stated in the message I received from Support is because I put my logo on my pics. Which is now against the rules apparently. I've been a member since 2012 and a verified artist here since 2015. Back then I don't recall seeing all these rules especially since Patreon and other sites wasn't commonplace yet. Which is fine I guess even though I've been doing uploads here and commissions with my logo on them for literally years without incident. So, I started uploading commissions without my logo last week. I accidentally uploaded one of the commissions with my logo variant and didn't notice it until afterwards. I'm a busy per*** and often rush to do uploads quickly after they're done. This wouldn't be a problem if I was able to delete the image or upload a new image in its place but us artists don't have that power here. So, I can understand why I wasn't paid for that one but why was I not paid for a previous commission completed and uploaded before I received a message from Support telling me about that rule? Hmmmm? ******ed without knowing fault seem fair?

But wait! It gets better I got a message this morning telling me I'm not allowed to upload the pics I do on this site on my other sites for promotion. Sorry Whentai but you're just a middle man. They want me to download the pic from this site to promote with their watermark. Fuck that. It's neither their idea nor their work that completed the pic. Not enough I promote in my uploads that the pic was a Whentai commission? Guess artists aren't allowed to promote themselves to gain more support and fans using this site. The site rather be selfish and try to hold artists back from growth. That's pretty ****ty. I feel sorry for the smaller name artists trying to build themselves on this site. I'm fortunate enough to have build a large following on other sites. It's sad to see me an artist who originally started doing uploads here and on Tumblr when I first began since I didn't know any other sites to upload my pics to, to be treated so distastefully. It's sad to see me a former fan who bought votes back in the day before this site had commissions in order to get my ideas drawn by artists here, to be treated with such disrespect.

It's sad to see how far this site has fallen since I first joined in 2012. It's also sad to see one of the only veteran artists from this site when it was near it's prime, being myself, treated this way. It's for those rea***s I'm leaving. Because if I stay and finish more pics I take a chance of not being paid. There has been times in the past where us artists have had to worry about not being paid as I've had to wait literal weeks to be paid in the past before. Or even further back when I left this site the first time in 2015 I ended up doing 3 commissions and never gotten paid for those, even though back then only 8 artists where paid based off their popularity each week. It saddens me because for the past couple years and especially more so lately I've been trying to help the site grow and upload my own pics outside of commissions. Sometimes even uploading my Patreon exclusive pics here before anywhere else to help the site out. After trying to help out the site it's sad to see it backstab me now. This site is far past it's glory days, it used to be so full of fans and artists hundreds possible thousands of them. But, due to bad management it seems to have died out. However lately it seemed to have been doing better and growing again even if all the past big name artists are gone. Now you can count my name among those who have moved on.

I do apologize to the 3 remaining commissioners I have commissions with as I won't be able to complete those now since I likely wouldn't be paid for them by the Admins. I'll be writing each of them directly to apologize I hope they can get the site to give them their votes back or maybe refund them.

P.S. I really don't take well to threats. Especially very rudely written threats at me in messages. Especially when it comes to not being paid for work performed. The rules clearly where different when I first joined and I'm sure I'm not the only one from back then who doesn't routinely check the rules to see if anything has been added. So, to be ******ed and rudely dealt with by Admins is in the least very questionable.
Discussion: (18 comments)
  • 2018-09-12 18:00:53

    wtf,damn thats bad,hope u find proper treatment on other sites,not getting paid is just messed up,Thanks for bringing this to light

  • 2018-09-12 18:18:10

    Oh man... i'm sorry for you oppai. I hope you get treated better on another site. I wish you the best of luck.

  • 2018-09-12 18:23:44

    wait a second... so that is mean that I can not write "Dinosknight" on my arts anymore?

  • 2018-09-12 18:57:27

    maybe you should talk to them and find some compromise. I mean I dont think they would want to lose an artist like you from their site.

  • 2018-09-12 19:30:43

    No its about patreon logo I think...

  • 2018-09-12 19:46:32

    Best of luck to you Oppai, I completely understand your decision and hope it leads you to success in the end. Whentai seems to be getting too big for it's briches lately, en******* rules that benefit nobody but themselves while harming their users and artists, only because they know most people don't really have any viable alternative to go to.

  • 2018-09-12 22:29:13

    I am successful elsewhere, but thanks for the support and encouraging words. Whentai is a very small percentage of the amount I make drawing. I make most of my money via patreon, then through direct commissions and lastly there's Whentai which I don't get much from here, especially after paypal fees. I want to say I am still open for commissions just directly instead of here. Anyone can contact me on Twitter or Tumblr and I always respond.

  • 2018-09-12 22:46:54

    Per***ally to me, timed exclusivity would be the best compromise. 4-6 months as of the date posted on whentai can be considered fair time passed for artists to then use watermark-less content for patreon tier (not public) purposes providing theres some credit to Whentai posted?. This is only my per***al solution opinion but I can appreciate both sides of the argument. But if updates happened but not communicated clearly thats the first check.

  • 2018-09-12 22:47:30

    For several days I have not had contact with the administration

  • 2018-09-12 22:58:10

    I'm not worried about the commissions I do here being on Patreon. I give them the same treatment I do any commission. I upload them in the 1 dollar tier as well as upload them to Tumblr, Twitter and Pixiv all at the same time. I never use commissions from anywhere as Patreon exclusive. They're not my ideas so I don't take credit for them. Patreon is for my own ideas I draw.

  • 2018-09-12 23:01:46

    Well I don't know. My patreon is poor. Whentai is the bestfor me for now, but good luck.

  • 2018-09-12 23:17:21

    Oppai Often I sees your work on the internet, sent by random users, Maybe that's why your account was considered not yours?

  • 2018-09-13 03:24:02

    Hi.

    The terms and conditions clearly state all the requirements. And you agreed on those terms when starting receiving money from WHentai.

    For those who have concerns about watermarks (@DinosKnight): Artists aren't prohibited to promote their per***al pages/websites or putting per***al credits to a blog/website (as it is stated in the Terms).

    Since artists receive money for the artworks from WHentai members, it's obvious to give credit to WHentai rather than other sites (earn more money from something being paid for by our members).

    Dear Studio Oppai,
    First of all: good story! But I would disagree with your point of being a victim. As I remember, you keep "quitting" WHentai each time you receive a warning on terms *********. Without even trying to follow them up. And after some time, return back and keep continuing breaking them up.

    As for the money: you were never told that you won't get the money. You were just warned to follow the Terms up. Also, you were told that your payments will be on hold until you fix (re-upload) clean versions of the artworks (seems to me that it's not an impossible task). Moreover, the issue caused only the newest uploads (2 pictures, to be specific). And you ou were paid 100% for all artworks prior to the warning.

    I've no idea why you decided to make your terms ********* public in such a manner, rather than contacting us back (you've received and read our message more than a week ago, and no reply from you followed until TOFUCK told me of your having some issues yesterday). It would have passed easily and quietly if you had contacted us back and re-uploaded clean versions of the latest artworks.

  • 2018-09-13 10:43:22

    None of the above changes the fact that your rules are now quite astoundingly greedy and detrimental to everyone involved except yourselves. Literally the only rea*** anyone would ever agree is that there are no other options.

  • 2018-09-13 13:09:50

    Every site in the world get its income from the attendance quantity of the visitors. I worked once in domain company so I know about it. If anyone keep advertising the other ones in their arts that are published at your site(or even here) , it is obvious that your site will lose its popularity and the income also. So I don't think that I can blame this site's stuff for that they forbid the watermarks of the other sites here. But what about getting paid. There are always peaceful and polite ways to reach an agreement between support and artist. I think non of us wanna to offend the other one. So maybe you should just talk and find the way to work with each other.

  • 2018-09-13 13:11:13

    Well, clearly you didn't read the blog post. Because I clearly state that when I started years ago those rules wasn't in place because the site was much different back then. So, how would I know about those rules? Why would I make an effort to routinely check back at the terms and conditions when something is added without my knowledge? Secondly as I stated in the blog post, contrary to what you've stated about both uploads I wasn't paid for as being the newest ones I've done, one of the 2 uploads I wasn't paid for was before I had gotten any inbox warning. Third your message told me nothing about reuploading the pics, I would have deleted or corrected it myself if I could have, the message just told me future uploads wouldn't be paid. Fourthly, both of the messages I got came off as rude and attacking. Threatening instead of nicely asking me to make changes or work to correct mistakes. Fifthly, the last message I got wants me to go back and correct every commission and pic upload I've done on every website I upload to, to add in the watermark from this website, otherwise I'll be penalized and not paid for future commissions here. How is that not threatening? I can easily upload corrected works for the 2 commissions I wasn't paid for. But, asking me to go to all my websites and replace the upload with a watermark for Whentai for all the pics I've uploaded here, otherwise I'll be ******ed and not paid, isn't rea***able at all.

  • 2018-09-14 08:23:24

    The way this site is run is pretty pants on head, square peg in a round hole retarded, and the logic they try to use to claim IP is laughable. WH is nothing more than a medium. It's eBay/Craigslist for artists. The only thing they should have claim to is a % commission for each pic made through here. But it is their site so they're free to make whatever rules they want.

    "Since artists receive money for the artworks from WHentai members, it's obvious to give credit to WHentai rather than other sites (earn more money from something being paid for by our members)."

    No. Not at all you idiot. You don't get any credit outside of providing a medium of exchange. You had no stake in the creation of the pic, you're just a middle man. The pics could have just as easily been made if you didn't exist (this isn't the only medium that exists). This is one of the rea***s I do most of my work directly and not through a medium like here. I would suggest other artists and potential commissioners to do the same.

  • 2018-09-20 12:31:31

    Well, its simple -- its their site, their rules. You dont wanna follow them, go to somewhere else. Its that simple.

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